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Post by SIN on Sept 27, 2014 20:43:20 GMT -5
I guess my flashers and freaks have me too aggressive sin, I get into finish him mode because if I am ahead it means I can punish them without much fear as long as you are using a line like "if score > 14 - round" in your planning, then you are free to finish the fight in any way that suits your builds. It works the same and means the same thing for flasher's and freaks as it does for sissy's and dancers, the only difference is the x/x/x. "too aggressive" would be switching that freak from clinch to inside. Do that and see what happens. You are using what Palestra calls the "Take Fight Home" line according to what benefits your fighting style. If you aren't using one, you better start. Commie has freaks too  |
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Post by SIN on Sept 29, 2014 19:32:24 GMT -5
An excerpt from Anagram's Cheat Sheet explains something I never knew about "roundswon" vs. "score" conditionals. Here's the link, and there's a link to the original text (pdf) from there. Enjoy Anagram's Fight Plan Cheat Sheetto gain more certainty about score you can use roundswon and roundslost These conditionals track rounds where there is a 97% chance that you have won the round on the scorecard of 2 or more judges. You can use these terms either on their own: if roundswon > 1 then x/x/x (style); Or more usefully use it in conjunction with score: if score > 1 and roundswon > roundslost then x/x/x (style); |
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Post by Martin & Co on Sept 29, 2014 22:19:27 GMT -5
I use these in all my fight plans. It's a good idea to start implementing them in all of yours. It helps you track score the way the judges are scoring as well, not just the commentator.
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Post by SIN on Sept 29, 2014 22:39:54 GMT -5
I use them a fair bit, but not very late in the fight. I always thought these were based on the commentators ruling too. Never knew it wasn't until I started trying to figure out what happened in Trig's last fight. I'm pretty conservative with my score conditionals so I will stick with what I know |
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Post by palestraitalica on Sept 30, 2014 5:26:50 GMT -5
I use these in all my fight plans. It's a good idea to start implementing them in all of yours. It helps you track score the way the judges are scoring as well, not just the commentator. May you tell me, please, how to use it in the middle of the fight to keep track of the score? I'm not sure I've really understood how to use it. Thanks  |
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Post by ryansgym on Sept 30, 2014 8:32:54 GMT -5
with the disclaimer that I am not trying to win on score usually (not that I won't take the score win, but my plans are more designed to KO) I use it to try to open up the opponent by having a lead, or at least not letting them get a big enough lead to "take the fight home" so for instance if I was trying to set up a line to decide to punish them on endurance or try to open them up with score in say the 7th round I could do something like this
7) if rounds won > 3 then 4b/8/8
7) if rounds won < 4 then 8/4/8
that way if I have a lead (if I have won more than 3 rounds I have won 4 or more and should barring a knockdown have a lead) I go with the body line and if I have won 3 or less I am down by at least as round and chase score
Hopefully I did that all right, I am sure sin with come straighten me out if I screwed that up
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Post by ryansgym on Sept 30, 2014 8:34:13 GMT -5
I guess my flashers and freaks have me too aggressive sin, I get into finish him mode because if I am ahead it means I can punish them without much fear as long as you are using a line like "if score > 14 - round" in your planning, then you are free to finish the fight in any way that suits your builds. It works the same and means the same thing for flasher's and freaks as it does for sissy's and dancers, the only difference is the x/x/x. "too aggressive" would be switching that freak from clinch to inside. Do that and see what happens. You are using what Palestra calls the "Take Fight Home" line according to what benefits your fighting style. If you aren't using one, you better start. Commie has freaks too I would have to go back in look, but in my basic freak clinch plans I don't think I have any lines that aren't clinch, or at least not many |
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Post by palestraitalica on Sept 30, 2014 8:48:53 GMT -5
with the disclaimer that I am not trying to win on score usually (not that I won't take the score win, but my plans are more designed to KO) I use it to try to open up the opponent by having a lead, or at least not letting them get a big enough lead to "take the fight home" so for instance if I was trying to set up a line to decide to punish them on endurance or try to open them up with score in say the 7th round I could do something like this 7) if rounds won > 3 then 4b/8/8 7) if rounds won < 4 then 8/4/8 that way if I have a lead (if I have won more than 3 rounds I have won 4 or more and should barring a knockdown have a lead) I go with the body line and if I have won 3 or less I am down by at least as round and chase score Hopefully I did that all right, I am sure sin with come straighten me out if I screwed that up Thanks Ryan but I was wondering how to use :"if score > 1 and roundswon > roundslost then x/x/x (style);" in the middle of the bout. What I don't understand is why something like:"7) if score > 10 - round then x/x/x" is not enough but is better to write:"7) if score > 10 - round then x/x/x and roundswon > roundslost..." Why add the roundswon stuff ? |
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Post by SIN on Sept 30, 2014 9:23:42 GMT -5
with the disclaimer that I am not trying to win on score usually (not that I won't take the score win, but my plans are more designed to KO) I use it to try to open up the opponent by having a lead, or at least not letting them get a big enough lead to "take the fight home" so for instance if I was trying to set up a line to decide to punish them on endurance or try to open them up with score in say the 7th round I could do something like this 7) if rounds won > 3 then 4b/8/8 7) if rounds won < 4 then 8/4/8 that way if I have a lead (if I have won more than 3 rounds I have won 4 or more and should barring a knockdown have a lead) I go with the body line and if I have won 3 or less I am down by at least as round and chase score Hopefully I did that all right, I am sure sin with come straighten me out if I screwed that up That's all well and good as long as you are satisfied with the fact that it may not do what you expect. If your goal is to inflict damage (4B/8/8) when ahead and switch to winning rounds when losing (8/4/8) - Think of this scenario with the lines you just used. Round = 7, you've drawed three rounds and won 3 rounds. At this point score is (+3). I would think you probably wanted to go 4B/8/8 there with such a lead, but instead your "if roundswon < 4 then 8/4/8" will trigger and you will chase score with a 3 point lead. As long as you understand that when writing the fightplan, you shouldn't go wrong, but if you are thinking "I'm up by x," you can't be 100% sure because this doesn't factor in draws, knockdowns, penalties... A crazy but possible scenario. Round 1 - you lose (9-10) Round 2 - you lose (9-10) Round 3 - draw (10-10) Round 4 - draw (10-10) Round 5 - you KDx2 (10-7) Round 6 - you KDx1 (10-8) So round 7 you have a 3 pt lead and have back to back knockdowns, you likely have a huge endurance advantage at this point and want to continue working the body - but your fightplan will start chasing score with 8/4/8. This is my reasoning for preferring "if score > round - x" over if "roundswon > x" and "if score < x - round" over "if roundslost"... Just understand both and think of "what could happen" when you are writing your fp's. Choose the one that works best for what it is you are trying to do. |
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Post by SIN on Sept 30, 2014 10:21:04 GMT -5
Thanks Ryan but I was wondering how to use :"if score > 1 and roundswon > roundslost then x/x/x (style);" in the middle of the bout.
What I don't understand is why something like:"7) if score > 10 - round then x/x/x" is not enough but is better to write:"7) if score > 10 - round then x/x/x and roundswon > roundslost..." Why add the roundswon stuff
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Don't let this confuse you. It means what it says...
"If score > 1 and roundswon > roundslost" basically says - the commentator has points at more than (+1) AND there is a 97% chance that 2/3 judges have me winning more rounds than I've lost"
Situations where this would be a good line is to ensure that you are winning by BOTH the commentator and judges. You may not know whether your opponent is using "if score" conditionals or "roundswon/loss" conditionals and you want to be sure you exploit his fp in a certain situation. Or you don't want to do something unless you are absolutely sure that both conditionals are true.
You can also use "or" to say that either of them may be true. "If score > 1 or roundswon > roundslost" means that either the commentator has score at (+1) in my favor OR there is a 97% chance that 2/3 judges have me winning more rounds than I lost.
Another popular one that you will see in the anagram guide and is popular around WeBL is "if score > 14 - round and roundswon > 6". Just like above it says that there's a 97 percent chance that 2/3 judges think you've won more than 6 rounds AND that the commentator has it:
"Score > 14 - round" - simplified:
Round = 7 and score > 7
Round = 8 and score > 6
Round = 9 and score > 5
Round = 10 and score > 4
Round = 11 and score > 3
Round = 12 and score > 2
It's just a way to be sure the judges and the commentator have you well ahead.
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Post by ryansgym on Sept 30, 2014 10:31:54 GMT -5
that was purely an example on how it worked sin, I would have lines other lines in there that would kick in for knockdowns, I was simply bringing up a very simplistic basic example of how those lines would work but fair point, I guess I should have made that more clear
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Post by Martin & Co on Sept 30, 2014 10:32:00 GMT -5
May you tell me, please, how to use it in the middle of the fight to keep track of the score? I'm not sure I've really understood how to use it. Thanks There is a number of ways you can do it, but I find the way that works best for me is to combine it with basic score conditionals... score <, >, = x Oftentimes, when you get to higher status fights, you'll see that you have been winning rounds, according to the commentator only to find out Judge "Roy Bean" or Judge "Judy" screwed you over and gave a couple to a few of those rounds to your opponent. This line ... 6) if score > 1 and roundswon < roundslost The commentator has you up by 2 going into round 6, meaning the score is 49-47, meaning you have won 3 of the 5 rounds, tied one. and lost one. The second part of this goes in line with what the judges may have scored it. Meaning they may have given the tied round to your opponent and one of the 3 rounds you won also to your opponent, which puts you down on score by one. It breaks down like this... Commentator: Win round 1 Judges: Win round 1 Commentator Score: 10-9 - You Judges Score: 10-9 - You ...... Commentator: Tie round 2 Judges: Lose round 2 Commentator Score: 20-19 - You Judges Score: 19-19 - Tied ...... Commentator: Win round 3 Judges: Win round 3 Commentator Score: 30-28 - You Judges Score: 29-28 - You ...... Commentator: Win round 4 Judges: Lose round 4 Commentator Score: 40-37 - You Judges Score: 38-38 - Tied ...... Commentator: Lose round 5 Judges: Lose round 5 Commentator Score: 49-47 - You Judges Score: 48-47 - Opp This has happened to me many times and I would lose a fight or tie a fight that the commentator said I was winning. When I found out about this conditional years ago, that's when I started winning a lot more fights. I only use these intricate conditionals in title fights which also depends on my opponent, fighter style, matchup, etc. Sometimes I will use it, sometimes not. But I always use it late in fights in the championship rounds (10-12) You can use this same concept for ...if score = 1 or score < 1 I have not seen it work in reverse, where you lose on the commentator's cards, but win on the judges. |
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Post by ryansgym on Sept 30, 2014 10:48:37 GMT -5
it had to have worked in reverse sin, if you lost on judges but won commentators card your opponent won the fight but lost the commentators card
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Post by SIN on Sept 30, 2014 11:12:27 GMT -5
it had to have worked in reverse sin, if you lost on judges but won commentators card your opponent won the fight but lost the commentators card Now you're just being argumentative. That wasn't even me But you're right this time |
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Post by Martin & Co on Sept 30, 2014 11:23:25 GMT -5
it had to have worked in reverse sin, if you lost on judges but won commentators card your opponent won the fight but lost the commentators card You are right, but that is your opponent. I have not seen where I myself have clearly lost a round on the commentator's cards but won the round on the judges cards. For me, it only happens when the score is tied or the round was close. The results of close and tied rounds depend on the accuracy and/or power punching. What the premise is here, is that you have either clearly won/loss the round. |
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