Struggling with balanced

personal opinion, and I know I am not the expert here, but balanced fighters seem to be difficult because you can't ever count on a large enough advantage at anything to really exploit it

10 points of agg will drain that 12 cond really fast. Less agg in the fp's, more cond at 0 status. Most managers prefer to start with 13 or even 14 cond.

Can't he solve that problem by just training CON until he gets his first win?

Fatigue refers to the endurance points lost through your
fighter's own exertion. It is calculated as AGG + 0.5*POW - 0.5*CND. Thus, a
fighter  with CND 12 using a 10/1/9 fight
plan will lose 10 + .5*1 - .5*12 = 4.5 endurance at the end of each round. However,
a fighter also recovers 10% of their lost endurance points each round. Thus, at
the start of round 2, the fighter will have actually only lost 4.1 endurance as
a result of fatigue. At the start of round 3, the fighter will have lost 7.7
endurance.  The following table shows the
total endurance lost and endurance percent remaining after fatigue for a
fighter with CND = 12 using 10/1/9 for all 12 round.

 







Looking at the above, we see a fighter will lose a total of
24.2% of his endurance over the course of a 12 round fight. However, (because
of recovery) the loss is not divided evenly between the 12 rounds. Rather, the
fighter loses 3.4% of his endurance in the first round. Assuming the fighter
has 40 AP divided between STR/SPD/AGL that equates to a minimum loss of 1.4 AP
(the actual loss is higher because the endurance penalty is applied after style
and height bonuses). At the start of the 7th round, the fighter will have lost
5.5 AP.

In order to know if those numbers are bad, we really need
something to compare it to. Thus, let's assume the above fighter took 1 point
from SPD (no weight change) and put it in CND (leaving only 38 AP in
STR/SPD/AGL). Now, the fighter would only lose a total of 19.9% of endurance
over the fight, including 2.8% in the first round. That equates to a loss of
1.1 AP. At the start of the 7th round, the fighter will have lost a total of 4.4
AP, which is a 1.1 AP advantage.  Going
into the 12th round, the fighter will have saved 2.2+ AP over the CND = 12
fighter.



Now, let's consider that fatigue is only a portion of lost
endurance. Endurance is also reduced by damage. Assuming the fighter takes 8
damage per round, that is a loss of 6.7% (or 2.7 AP). For the fighter with CND
= 13, that damage is only 6.2% (or 2.4 AP). Those numbers are pre-recovery.

Combining the two calculations above, the fighter with CND =
12 is losing a little more than an extra 0.5 AP per round. As a result of that
lower AP, the CND = 12 fighter will take more damage in round 2 and every round
thereafter, compounding the AP loss. With a well-written fight plan (as opposed
to 12 rounds of 10/1/9) it might not make that much of a difference, but in a
close fight, every little bit counts.


However, I was curious to see how much of a difference it
made, so I decided to do an empirical test. Using the simulator I randomly
selected stats for two 5'8" fighters. The first had STR/SPD/AGL/CND  14/11/14/13 and used an efficient 4B/8/8 fight
plan. The second fighter, also 5'8, had 12/12/16/12 and used the 10/1/9 fight
plan. Fighter "A" consistently won in the 10th round by reducing his
opponents' endurance to 0. Then, I took Fighter B and swapped one point from
SPD to CND. The CND = 13 version of fighter "B" not only survives all
12 rounds, he actually wins by decision!

 

 

 

Cozar, what gym do you run?

I need to know which newer guy I will have to ensure I put a real fight plan against.

Well played, Sir, you are minor guidance and minor direction away from all time greatness.

By endurance_percent, yes, but since 3 less CON = 3 more CON in STR/SPD/AGL (or height), you actually lose a bit more AP over the course of the fight. The AP loss (near) equivalent is 9.4 CON with 42.6 AP. I think the downside of that idea is the the CON 9 fighter will get hit harder by fatigue if he tries to win rounds with 6/6/8 or 10/1/9, while the CON 12 fighter can always drop back to a more efficient or defensive fight plan after building a large score lead.

The build you have here is ok, as a start.  You can build this with a speed, strength, or agility bias.  Or, you can keep him a pure balanced guy.  Typically, I generally go with an agility or strength bias when training up a fighter.  The tactics however, seem to be the problem with this guy.

You are pretty much slapping to score.  Score with power!  Go 5/7/8 or 6/6/8 (style) to score.  This does two things, you are hitting with power, which helps wear the other guy down and you control score like you wanted to in the first place.  Going 1 power to score gains points on the scorecard, but will wear you out, especially when you are 10 aggression. 

If I were matched up against you with one of my balanced guys, I would body punch you in round 1-2 and gain an endurance advantage.  If I were scouting 1 power tactics in round 1 on a consistant basis, I might even body allout you in that first round and make you pay.  When you are ahead by 2 in rd three and going to my body, I would be winning rounds with 5/7/8 (style).  By round 4, the score will be even and I will now have a significant endurance advantage.  At some point you are going to have to rest to recover, or try to win rounds.  If you continue to slap to stay up on score, my endurance advantage widens.  If you rest, now I go up or get even on score.  It becomes an ugly cycle that you cant get out of.  Once you give up on winning the endurance war, and slap for points with a balanced guy, you have essentially ceded the advantages you fighter is going to have.

I would only slap in final rounds to win a decision.  Not in the beginning like you plan has you doing.  Even slapping as an end-game strategy is dangerous.  You open yourself up to get KO'd when you do this.


With your fighter stats as you noted above, I would modify my plan as follows if I wanted to fight with a lead.

# score by being opportunistic;
1) 5/7/8 (ring);
#1)  10/1/9 (ring) (too much aggression and no power);
# 2nd round upp aggression a bit;
2) 6/6/8 (ring);
#2)  11/1/8 (ring) (again way too much aggression and little power);

# these endurance conditionals are good, I might make them more aggressive though;
#if score > 1 then  3B/7/10 (ring)
#if score > 1 and endurance_percent > 100 - (round - 1) * 5 then  4B/8/8 (ring)
#if score > 1 and endurance_percent > 100 - (round - 1) * 4 then  4B/8/6 (ring)
#if score > 1 and endurance_percent > 100 - (round - 1) * 3 then  3B/10/7 (ring)
#I am ahead, and am going to hammer body now;
if score > 1 then  5B/8/7 (ring);
if score > 1 and endurance_percent > 100 - (round - 1) * 5 then  4B/8/8 (ring)
if score > 1 and endurance_percent > 100 - (round - 1) * 4 then  5B/8/7 (ring)
if score > 1 and endurance_percent > 100 - (round - 1) * 3 then  5B/9/6 (ring)

# good conditionals, leave them as they are;
if endurance_percent > 70 and opp <= 1 then  4B/9/7 (ring)
if endurance_percent > 75 and opp <= 1 then  4B/10/6 (ring)
if endurance_percent > 80 and opp <= 1 then  5B/10/5 (ring)

### Need to rest ###
if endurance_percent < 70 and opp > 1 and score > round - 9 then 1B/1/10 (ring)

# these 1 power conditionals do nothing for your fighter build;
#if score < round - 9 then  5/1/14 (ring);
#if score < round - 10 then  6/1/13 (ring);
#if score < round - 11 then  7/1/12 (ring);
#if score < round - 12 then  9/1/10 (ring);

# up your power, and still win the rounds;
if score < round - 9 then  7/6/7 (ring);
if score < round - 10 then  8/5/7 (ring);
if score < round - 11 then  8/4/8 (feint);
if score < round - 12 then  10/3/7 (feint);


### Fight Won - Cover Up ###
# don't cover up.  safely body punch and hurt his fighter;
#1) if (score > 15 - round or roundswon >= 8) and opp > 0 then  1/1/18 (ring);
#1) if (score > 14 - round or roundswon >= 7) and endurance_percent < 67 and opp = 2 then  1/1/18 (ring);

1) if (score > 15 - round or roundswon >= 8) and opp > 0 then  4b/7/9 (ring);
1) if (score > 14 - round or roundswon >= 7) and endurance_percent < 67 and opp = 2 then  4b/6/10 (ring);


### Towel ###
1)
if (score < round - 13 or score < round - 14) and (hisstuns = 0
or mystuns > hisstuns) and (opp = 2 or endurance_percent < 50 and
opp > 0) then towel;


Just my two centavos...  Hope this helps!



Also,

I think the best way to get a handle on tactics is to see what certain managers do.  My favorite balanced fighter of all time is Iddo (Managed by Prodical).  This fighter is worth a look, and gives you great insight regarding balanced fighter management/tactics.

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